The Response to Lesbian Club in Portmore

Once again the Star News toys with public opinion to sell papers it seems:

Portmore residents have lashed out against a lesbian club said to operating in the municipality and are adamant that they do not want any such club or activity in their community.

Recently, in a local Sunday newspaper, a man placed an advertisement for girls between 18 and 30 years old to form a lesbian club named ‘Circle Square’ in Portmore. However, this did not gone down well with the residents of the municipality.

“Not under God’s earth! God don’t want that at all … It’s abominable in God’s sight. I’m pleading to them don’t let that come off the ground,” the Reverend Elisha Thomas, a pastor in Portmore, said. “They must remember that it was homosexuality that brought the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.”

woman to man
Mark Smith from Portsmouth was angry in his remarks. “No sah! That cah gwan eno. We lick out pan things like that. Me seh, man to a woman and woman to man. Woman to woman cah work,” he stated.

“Brimstone and fire pan them,” a Rastafarian man yelled when quizzed about this particular club.
One woman who requested anonymity said that recently she was approached by six women who were trying to persuade her to attend a party which caters to women only. The woman sent them on their way, but not before one of the women, a thick lady with a husky male voice, said: “It nuh done yet, me must get yu’. They quickly walked away as men, seeing the action, approached them.
The Portmore police said they have no knowledge of a lesbian club.
“The first time I heard of this club was in the Star newspaper. If we get any information about this club, you will be first to know,” a senior officer at the Greater Portmore Police Station said.

highly religious city

When contacted, Mayor of Portmore, Keith Hinds, said that while he cannot tell people what their sexual preference should be, he is adamant that he will not tolerate lesbians showcasing their activities in the municipality. He requested that these people read their Bible which condemns such practices. “We must remind them that Portmore is a highly religious city and people will not think too keenly on things like these,” he said.

ENDS

I was of the opinion that adults were free to make their own decisions so long as those decisions were not deleterious to others.

Tsk

Peace & tolerance

H

 

 

Lesbian Club in Portmore (The Star 4.12.08)

Local women seeking to establish relationships with other women are no longer waiting to meet them by chance. They have taken to recruiting them by forming clubs and advertising for membership.
For the last few weeks, one such club has been advertising in a Sunday publication for women between 18 and 30 years old to join the club, named Circle Square, which THE STAR has learnt is based in Portmore, St Catherine.

The advertisement reads, “Circle Square all-female club invites adventurous, fun-loving, open-minded ladies 18-30 to join our exclusive social club. Come and explore very private membership free.”

When THE STAR contacted the club via a telephone number posted in the advertisement, a male answered. The news team, pretending to be interested in joining the club, called on several occasions and were told by the man that the club is for women who are interested in women.
Bring females together

The man, who gave his name as Tony and said he was the recruiter and first asked callers if they were interested in women. Callers were also asked if they had ever slept with a woman. After he was sure that the callers were really interested, he then explained the club’s intentions.
“The concept behind the club is to bring females together who have a common interest. It’s not dating thing or anything like that, we just have individuals who want to come together and have fun,” he said.

Tony said all future members had to be screened by him before they are allowed to meet the other women. “We don’t want the sketel-like behaviour,” he said.
When asked why there was an age limit, he said it was set by the club members. Although he would not say how many women are in the club, he said the membership was a ‘good amount’.
THE STAR’s callers were also asked about their addresses and were told that this information was required because the club does not bring together women from the same community as it has caused problems in the past. He said people have pretended in the past to be interested and when they joined and saw those in the club, it caused problems. “I do not want anyone to scrutinise you,” he said.

Based on information discussed on the telephone, THE STAR learnt that screening is done in other locations away from the club and if persons pass the interview, then they are taken to meet the other women.

Interesting Piece – Homophobic Yet Homosocial ?

Some Jamaican brethren love to run off mouth about how dem love woman and brag ’bout dem nuh pet man. Yes, big man, start counting the number of activities that you participate in, exclusively with other ‘man friends’. Calculate the amount of time you spend with members of your own sex.

Now, compare that with your quality engagement and time spent with the opposite sex. I’ll bet all the money I lost in Cash Plus that when the situations are objectively compared, many men will find that they spend more time and energy dedicated to activities with other men than with women. Isn’t that funny? But, as I’m never tired of saying, we are a case study in contradiction. Is true, man! Many Jamaican men seem to be violently homophobic, yet passionately ‘homosocial’ at the same time. Check it, dem burn fire on men who sleep with men but di only company dat dem keep is men.

Some roughneck, macho men seem totally happy to spend 20 hours of one day socialising with a bag a man and then share the remaining four hours with a woman. And, those four hours are likely to involve maybe 15 minutes of talk, 45 minutes of sex and three hours of sleep. In fact, one man made it clear to me that, as far as he’s concerned, the main thing to do with the opposite sex was sex.

Strip poker
When asked if he talks or plays with his lady, he said he hardly talks, he mainly sends text messages. Quoting an old joke, he said the only game he plays with his girlfriend is strip poker, with the aim being for her to strip and for him to ‘poke her’. He went on to seriously assert that men, who spend a lot of time with women, are sissies. What do you think?

I think it’s kind of sad. Plenty men just don’t treat social, emotional or intellectual engagement with women as a central part of their life. It’s like they marginalise their dealings with women to the extent that any relationship with a woman that doesn’t involve sex, gets minimal time, limited space and zero value. And, the women, with whom we share conjugal relations, sometimes only get personal attention when it’s time for them to ease our sexual tension.

Potential conquest
You know, there are men, who have no genuine women friends? You realise that there are men out there, who can only see women as objects of potential conquest? And, some of those same men love and idolise other men, who they describe as their ‘God, dads and general’!

Some men work all day with men, spend evening chilling and talking with other men, then spend the weekend playing with men again. They eat and drink with men, ‘par and link’ with men, then smoke and joke with men again. That’s how I see it yah and I don’t care who vex. Some men do every single thing with other men – except sex – and the one deggeh-deggeh thing dem do with women is sex.

But, guess what happen in the process? We miss out on opportunities to learn, grow and build mutual respect with our sisters. Look nuh, I love sex, I adore women and I value the many things I can share with them. Yeah, man, that’s one of the reasons why I’m a big fan of co-education. If it does nothing else, mixed-sex schooling helps boys to learn, from early, that there are many fulfilling experiences to share with girls, including, but not limited to sex!

How you see it? box-mi-back@hotmail.com

Cops hunt Lesbian "Shottas"

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Girls accused of shooting men in quarrel over women
Again The Star is at it with hearsay and innuendo……..anyway (with a pound of salt) read and decide (click image)

Why would a lesbian want to shoot someone if she wasn’t first attacked or harassed? hhhmmmm.

(excerpt)

COPS HUNT LESBIAN SHOTTAS – Girls accused of shooting men in quarrel over women

Dwayne Mcleod, Staff Reporter

The rift between male patrons and lesbians who attend exotic strip clubs has taken another twist, investigations by THE WEEKEND STAR have revealed.

In September, THE WEEKEND STAR published a story titled ‘Lesbians take over exotic clubs’, which depicted the feelings of men who claimed that they were being forced to take a back seat as women are given all the attention at strip clubs.

Now, it has been found that some of these lesbians now have men in fear of their lives following several recent violent attacks at clubs, reportedly stemming from arguments over women, as well as other altercations.

Checks with the police have found at least three recent incidents in which alleged lesbians were involved in violent attacks with men while at these clubs.

Acting like cowboys

“Some of these girls are acting like cowboys,” Detective Sergeant Carlton Urquhart of the Half-Way Tree police told THE WEEKEND STAR yesterday.

He revealed a recent incident during which a security guard from a popular strip club in Kingston was shot and injured following an altercation in which he was reportedly not involved. The police are in search of a woman known only as ‘Candy’ in connection with that shooting. The police say she is known to frequent exotic clubs in Kingston.

Police say on October 1 about 4:10 a.m., the security guard was shot and injured by a woman who left the club, returned and before pulling the trigger reportedly stated, “Hold dis fi yu fren.”

In confirming that the police are aware of these violent lesbians, Detective Sergeant Urquhart noted that the police had nabbed another woman in connection with the incident, but had to release her after the victim informed them that she was not the person who had shot him. The police say the woman shares a name similar to Candy.

Similarly, the Constant Spring police is also on the hunt for another alleged lesbian who is suspected to be involved in the shooting of a man along Red Hills Road about two weeks ago. The man was reportedly shot several times by a woman who then drove off in a waiting motor car.

Police sources say they have not yet to establish an identity for the woman, but say statements collected thus far show that the shooting occurred shortly after an argument at another strip club in St. Andrew.

“On the night the man was shot and injured, he was said to have been involved in a squabble with a woman over another woman…We heard that a woman got in a rage after accusing him of trying to take her woman,” a police source explained. He also spoke of a crew of women believed to lesbians who are said to come from a small community in St. Andrew.

According to the source, the girls are suspected to be involved in a number of violent incidents which took place in at least three well-known clubs. The incidents are said to have been sparked by arguments over women. These incidents are rarely reported, he however noted.

As a result of such incidents, some men have even admitted to putting their strip club visits on halt.

“Bway mi naw lie, di lesbian dem a get bad to worse…Dem dun a tek ova di go-go club dem wid dem nastiness, but it look like dem nuh satisfy, a badness dem a use now,” an irate sounding Kirk Hewitt, who claims he has been attending strip clubs for a long time told THE WEEKEND STAR.

Another male patron, Kevin Spence added, “Since di lesbian dem start get famous mi did kinda ease off but go when mi feel like, now mi stop go, mi naw mek dem murda mi ova dem woman dem.”

Exotic club operators chose to be tight-lipped on the matter but the police say they will be working towards ensuring safety by making regular checks at these venues.

rjanet29@yahoo.com

ENDS

Doesn’t The Star understand that when they publish stories like this they are in essence inciting violence literally on anyone who “looks” gay including lesbians, who by the way have still not recovered from a previous story carried by the same paper in September on

Lesbians taking over nightclubs,
Many of them have been heckled and threats made to their person.
Just beyond us why this paper is so irresponsible?

LESBIANS TAKE OVER EXOTIC CLUBS

Men have been taking a back seat at strip clubs as women are being given all the attention, investigations by THE WEEKEND STAR have revealed.

Many men say they are being outdone and in some cases outnumbered by strip club-attending lesbians. To add insult to injury, they allege that exotic dancers now seem more fond of women.

“It look like wi haffi go ban di lesbian dem or gi dem one club fi dem self cause is like dem a tek ova ya now. Dem did always a come a club but now a dem a run di club dem an a dem nuff a di dancer girl dem interested inna. Dem naw pay wi nuh whole heap a attention again,” an irate sounding Kirk Hewitt, a patron at a club explained. Hewitt, 39, claims he has been attending strip clubs for a long time, but, like this reporter, was quite surprised by the turn of events at a club recently.

Groups of women were seen gathered at various sections of the club dancing together. They were soon joined by the exotic dancers who would play with them, leaving the men by themselves.

The women would wine and grind on each other, touching and even kissing, much to the disgust of some men who openly showed their displeasure by shouting expletives and rude comments at them.

Similar situations were witnessed at several other strip clubs.

“Yu si dem my youth, if some woman nuh strong inna di earth none a dem naw go lef fi nuh man get,” Andre Garrick, another strip club patron said. “A pure group a dem par eno and dem have up dem money suh di go-go dem nuh business cause dem a get fi dem ting.”

Money is the reason

Other male patrons agreed that money was the reason for them being outdone by the women.

“Dem gal deh money tall eno, a pure big car dem drive and fi dem table always full a liquor, plus dem nah ramp fi all tip di go-go dem wid some big money…True we as some hardworking man now a try play tight wid our own, di go-go dem naw badda stress demself ova we,” another said.

HAVE MORE FUN

But many of these women say they are just merely trying to have fun and are not trying to outdo the men.

“I go to strip clubs all the while, and it’s not a case where we are trying to overthrow men so to speak, it’s just a case where more and more of us are becoming more comfortable with our sexuality and want to have more fun,” one woman said.

“Men like to party, we like to party, men love to see dancers and we love to see them too,” another added.

When asked about her feelings on the issue, one dancer, who identified herself as Ginger, boldly replied, “Money talks bull… walks!”

Her views were echoed by other dancers. “A nuh seh wi naw pay di man dem nuh mind but a di woman dem a spend di money suh wi haffi go weh di money deh,” one added.

Clinical psychologist Dr Asquith Reid, said while money may be a pulling factor for this ‘girl on girl’ indulgence, as some females have claimed, people are generally just doing what they want to, be it in their homes or the strip clubs.

Reid said that immoral practices of this sort was nothing new but has got more widespread in recent times due to technological advances. “It seems more prevalent today because of the exposure that people now have to cable,” he said. “People are exploring these behaviours that they see, some may end up liking it while others may not.”

He noted that despite the behaviour of some of these women who trod the lesbian path or act in such a way in the clubs, they actually have heterosexual relationships at home.

N.B. In fact a the week following that publication at the very club some women were entering the establishment and they were harassed by the vendors on the outside and male patrons.

Dealing with paraphilia

the piece below appeared in the health lifeline section of The Star with Dr. A. J. Morgan, thought we would post it, interesting the response, we think to this query on sexual fantasies.

Dear Readers,
J.S. is a 22-year-old man, who is concerned over his growing sexual fantasies which, he believes, are probably abnormal but seem to have become his primary source of sexual gratification. He is most sexually stimulated when imagining himself exposing his genitalia to various women – some known, some imagined. He fantasises about the act when masturbating and even during sexual intercourse. He has even thought of actually committing the act in reality but has restrained himself out of fear of the repercussions should he be caught. J.S. is embarrassed to even discuss these urges with his family doctor and asks Lifeline what he can do to let go of this fantasy.

Societal norms
A significant number of individuals fantasise about sexual acts when they masturbate or have intercourse, which may be beyond what they are willing to participate in. In fact, an act is not necessarily described as deviant behaviour (paraphilia) unless societal norms and social functioning have been violated and the rights of others have been transgressed. It is, therefore, a matter of degree.
Where the erotic mental (sexual) activity, in this case, exhibitionism, becomes the major source of sexual gratification, with or without orgasm, then something is wrong. If the individual can only achieve an orgasm through either fantasising about the act or actually performing the act, then the behaviour is sexually deviant. Exhibitionism, if it occurs under the above conditions, would then be a form of deviant sexual behaviour, or paraphilia.

Persons who have these different sexual interests are often ostracised by society and it is difficult to determine the extent to which this behaviour occurs in any given population, as it is hidden.
The urge to participate in deviant sexual behaviour usually develops during adolescence. Usually, the person fantasises about his or her sexual interest during masturbation and attempts to use this method to satisfy his or her sexual urges. What they often do not realise is that, as time passes, the links between the fantasies and masturbation only strengthen the urge to actually perform the act. After a while, exhibitionists may conclude that exposing their genitalia is actually an enjoyable sexual experience for their victim, rather than an assault. They may interpret the victims’ response as showing sexual interest.

See a shrink
Most family physicians would refer a person with these behavioural and sexual problems to a specialist, usually a psychiatrist or psychologist, as the most successful method of treatment for sexual deviation is psychological intervention in the form of cognitive behavioural treatment. This targets the reduction of deviant sexual arousal and the enhancement of normal sexual arousal, while helping the person to develop effective coping and pro-social skills.

The SSRI antidepressant group of medication which include Paxil, Prozac and Zoloft can reduce the sexual drive and, therefore, reduce deviant sexual behaviour, so they can be useful in the treatment of this condition. Other hormonal treatment can also be prescribed.
J.S. should take the first step by visiting a family physician whom he trusts and in whom he has confidence in. There is help available.

Write Lifeline
P.O. Box 1731
Kingston 8

Jamaicans hypocritical about gays? ….where does this pastor lives?

read this letter and the response and ask yourself ….where does this man lives?

The Letter
Dear Pastor,
I am absolutely horrified about the situation my brothers and sisters of gay and lesbian identities face in Jamaica.
I should be proud of my father’s homeland, but I am not. I am ashamed. When my father came here to England, he faced terrible abuse for being black.

Cannot help our sexuality
He was considered, like all other Jamaicans in the country, to be no less than an animal, in fact, a sub-species. He was spat upon, reviled and sometimes beaten because of his skin colour. Now how do I see things changing in Jamaica? People are just as bad in Jamaica about lesbians and gays. We cannot help our sexuality. We are born with it.

Hypocrisy and bigotry
We are told God loves a sinner. If it is a sin and God loves all sinners, why are people behaving like this in the name of God? Such hypocrisy and bigotry need to be eradicated. We are sup-posed to be civilised people. What happened? Why such pain and shame? Killing people for being gay is a terrible crime.

Change these draconian laws. Why are people so threatened now by such things? Fear is no excuse. I shall do whatever is within my power to put a stop to this until the day I die.
M.D., England

The Response

Dear M.D.,
You are gay and there are many others like you. Why do you seek to condemn others who are not gay and who do not agree with your lifestyle? What laws do you want to be changed in Jamaica? I have said many times that no one should be threatened, beaten or killed because of their sexual preference.
On the other hand, those who are gay should not flaunt their lifestyle in public and expect the people of Jamaica to accept the things they do as acceptable behaviour.
Too bad you are ashamed of Jamaica. Although your father was Jamaican, you don’t seem to know much about this beautiful island. You are angry. Cool down, sir. Learn about Jamaica and its people. Nobody is going to interfere with you because you are gay, but if you believe that you can get everybody in this country to accept your lifestyle you are making a very big mistake.
Pastor

Teen beaten, accused of being homosexual

Two MSM stories in one day’s edition, hmmmmm makes you wonder anyway read this one as well and form your own opinions.

A teen was severely beaten yesterday after he was accused of being gay.

Reports reaching THE STAR are that the teen and another male were seen in a comprising position by residents. When the residents saw what they felt was an alleged sexual encounter, they chased him and beat him up

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The matter was reported to the Kingston Central police and they have since transferred the matter to Centre for the Investigation of Sexual Offences and Child Abuse.

The teen told THE STAR that he was beaten until he was unconsciousness. “Him try fi have sex wid mi nuff time and mi tell him no and today him tek mi bag and seh is either mi have sex with him or mi haffi pay him,” the traumatised and scared youth said. “All mi can say is mi feel sad and bad.”

Lesbians Take Over?

(as usual read the star news with a grain of salt)

Men have been taking a back seat at strip clubs as women are being given all the attention, investigations by THE WEEKEND STAR have revealed.
Many men say they are being outdone and in some cases outnumbered by strip club-attending lesbians. To add insult to injury, they allege that exotic dancers now seem more fond of women.
“It look like wi haffi go ban di lesbian dem or gi dem one club fi dem self cause is like dem a tek ova ya now. Dem did always a come a club but now a dem a run di club dem an a dem nuff a di dancer girl dem interested inna. Dem naw pay wi nuh whole heap a attention again,” an irate sounding Kirk Hewitt, a patron at a club explained. Hewitt, 39, claims he has been attending strip clubs for a long time, but, like this reporter, was quite surprised by the turn of events at a club recently.

Groups of women were seen gathered at various sections of the club dancing together. They were soon joined by the exotic dancers who would play with them, leaving the men by themselves.
The women would wine and grind on each other, touching and even kissing, much to the disgust of some men who openly showed their displeasure by shouting expletives and rude comments at them.
Similar situations were witnessed at several other strip clubs.
“Yu si dem my youth, if some woman nuh strong inna di earth none a dem naw go lef fi nuh man get,” Andre Garrick, another strip club patron said. “A pure group a dem par eno and dem have up dem money suh di go-go dem nuh business cause dem a get fi dem ting.”
Money is the reason
Other male patrons agreed that money was the reason for them being outdone by the women.
“Dem gal deh money tall eno, a pure big car dem drive and fi dem table always full a liquor, plus dem nah ramp fi all tip di go-go dem wid some big money…True we as some hardworking man now a try play tight wid our own, di go-go dem naw badda stress demself ova we,” another said.

HAVE MORE FUN
But many of these women say they are just merely trying to have fun and are not trying to outdo the men.
“I go to strip clubs all the while, and it’s not a case where we are trying to overthrow men so to speak, it’s just a case where more and more of us are becoming more comfortable with our sexuality and want to have more fun,” one woman said.
“Men like to party, we like to party, men love to see dancers and we love to see them too,” another added.
When asked about her feelings on the issue, one dancer, who identified herself as Ginger, boldly replied, “Money talks bull… walks!”
Her views were echoed by other dancers. “A nuh seh wi naw pay di man dem nuh mind but a di woman dem a spend di money suh wi haffi go weh di money deh,” one added.

Clinical psychologist Dr Asquith Reid, said while money may be a pulling factor for this ‘girl on girl’ indulgence, as some females have claimed, people are generally just doing what they want to, be it in their homes or the strip clubs.
Reid said that immoral practices of this sort was nothing new but has got more widespread in recent times due to technological advances. “It seems more prevalent today because of the exposure that people now have to cable,” he said. “People are exploring these behaviours that they see, some may end up liking it while others may not.”
He noted that despite the behaviour of some of these women who trod the lesbian path or act in such a way in the clubs, they actually have heterosexual relationships at home.

Read these lettes and form your own opinion……

Two letters in one day suggesting some sort of reparative therapy from Psychologist, talks show host and Pastor Rev Aaron Dumas who operates the Tell Me Pastor clomun in the Star News, have a read of the two letters and see it they make sense of his responses are appropriate.

 

Pray and pray but still gay

Dear Pastor,
I am a 41-year-old man living in the USA. My parents are Jam-aican. I am gay. I pray to God about taking the feelings of loving a man away from me but it is not working.

I am going to hell

I went to church and I told the pastor there what I was going through. Instead of him trying to help me by praying with me or giving me some advice, he told me that I am going to hell. As far as I can see, the first step is admitting the problem that one has and try to get help, but I got turned away. As far as I know, all sins are spelt S-I-N and the Lord says that he who is without sin should cast the first stone. I don’t know, why me?

Killing myself

Why do I have to be going through this? To tell you the truth, I feel like killing myself, but I know that one cannot get forgiveness for killing one’s self. Sometimes I feel like I am the worst person in the world.

I told my mom and she told me that God still loves me and all I have to do is pray and trust God, but, pastor, I do pray and pray and pray. It has been 20 years, now and I am still gay and I still have feelings for men. I know that I am grown, but I do not know where to turn for help anymore.

This is slowly killing me. I have known that I like guys from I was in high school at the age of 15. I had to keep it to myself for a long time. I know that you don’t have an idea how hard it is to do something like that.

Why me, pastor? Why is it that I have to be gay? What can I do to stop these feelings. I don’t have a boyfriend, but I look at them and lust at them. Please give me some advice.

R.W., New York, USA

Pastor answers

Dear R.W.,

I suggest that you take a different approach. Try to find a Christian psychologist and ask him to help you work out this problem. You have struggled with this problem for years but I still believe that God can deliver you.

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AND

Man-and-man problems

Dear Pastor,
I’m with a man who is selfish and don’t want me to do what I want to. I am in love with him although he is a man and I am a man. He has problems with me having my girlfriend and he doesn’t want me to be with anyone except him. I’m confused.

I want to reach out to him, but I am afraid because he is too arrogant and that’s the reason why I am afraid to share things with him. He is crazy and I can’t do anything about it. Pastor, I am wild and I want to be with him and my girlfriend.

Please, tell me what to do. We have been through a lot, but I think that things can turn around and work for us. Tell me what to do. Pastor, tell me what to do.

P.A., St James, Jamaica

Pastor answers

Dear P.A,

The Bible says that a man should not have sexual relations with another man. The Bible condemns that type of lifestyle. If you have never seen that in the Bible, you may read Romans chapter one.

You seem to be proud of having a man as your lover but, I repeat, the Bible teaches that it is wrong. I believe the Bible.

Pastor

 

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Man injured in firebombing in Clarendon….this was all the Star could muster!!

A 27-year-old man is now in hospital after he sustained injuries when the house he occupied in the Kennedy Grove community of Clarendon was firebombed on Sunday night.
The police say that they were called to the area about 12:10 a.m. after a one-bedroom concrete structure was seen on fire.

A 24-year-old male companion who was also in the building at the time of the fire escaped unhurt. The house and its contents were completely burnt out.
The police are theorising that they were targeted because residents were questioning their sexual preference.

When theSTAR visited the community almost everyone had something to say. One resident said: “After mi hear the explosion and mi look outside through mi window, mi see de two man dem run out a de house … .”